we felt it was just a natural timing. >> chris, sounds like u.s. corporations have had enough. >> yes, i think that's definitely true. i mean, what's telling about the report that has just come out is the pervasiveness of this espionage by the chinese. and especially the role of the chinese military in economic espionage. you know, it's presumed, of course, that an opposition force, military force might enghaj probgauge in probes of national security information, looking for national security information. this economic espionage by the chinese military is a stark revelation, and it demonstrates that it's the entire force of the chinese government that is involved in this process. >> barbara, is there a cyberwar between the u.s. and china? if so, what are the pentagon's rules of engagement in such a war? >> i think absolutely. the answer is yes, i think it goes far beyond espionage. and it is war. it is war in this century. the pentagon, the obama administration actually trying to cope with that very question, christine. if you call this a war, what are the battlefield rules?